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		<title>By: Lettre 13 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ecto; espace coopératif de travail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lettre 13 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ecto; espace coopératif de travail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] à prendre connaissance du projet coopératif Ecto. C&#8217;est un projet similaire au projet Coworking en ce sens qu&#8217;il veut offrir des espaces de travails peut dispendieux pour des travailleurs [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] à prendre connaissance du projet coopératif Ecto. C&#8217;est un projet similaire au projet Coworking en ce sens qu&#8217;il veut offrir des espaces de travails peut dispendieux pour des travailleurs [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Montreal Coworking &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Coworking Update</title>
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		<dc:creator>Montreal Coworking &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Coworking Update</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 03:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 06:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wow - what an update, Patrick. Running a project like this one takes time, and the only way to get around that constraint is to have lots of money up front. Absent that... I think you&#039;re totally going about it in the right way, deliberately, making sure the whole thing both meets the ideals in mind AND is practical and sustainable.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;By the time you&#039;re ready to roll I may even be an anchor!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8211; what an update, Patrick. Running a project like this one takes time, and the only way to get around that constraint is to have lots of money up front. Absent that&#8230; I think you&#8217;re totally going about it in the right way, deliberately, making sure the whole thing both meets the ideals in mind AND is practical and sustainable.</p>

<p>By the time you&#8217;re ready to roll I may even be an anchor!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thx guys.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thx guys.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Evan Prodromou</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Prodromou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Patrick: thanks for the great update. I&#039;m excited about the prospect for a strong coworking presence in Montréal, and I agree that that will take time and attention. I&#039;m looking forward to it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick: thanks for the great update. I&#8217;m excited about the prospect for a strong coworking presence in Montréal, and I agree that that will take time and attention. I&#8217;m looking forward to it.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jacob here from Office Nomads in Seattle.  I just cleared the 7 month hurry-up-and-wait game of getting the business plan ready, find a business partner, find a space, working the numbers, losing the space, finding another space.... patience comes in handy.  We found a place and are able to open 3 weeks later (2 weeks from now).   Susan, my business partner and I both work other jobs too but I find that helps more then it detracts.  Because of that, I am forced to put Office Nomads down regularly and that, sometimes is invaluable.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My advise:  Take your time and do it right.  If it takes you a year or more, but it&#039;s solid and true to your dream, it will be so much better then if you rush it and dilute your vision because of it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacob here from Office Nomads in Seattle.  I just cleared the 7 month hurry-up-and-wait game of getting the business plan ready, find a business partner, find a space, working the numbers, losing the space, finding another space&#8230;. patience comes in handy.  We found a place and are able to open 3 weeks later (2 weeks from now).   Susan, my business partner and I both work other jobs too but I find that helps more then it detracts.  Because of that, I am forced to put Office Nomads down regularly and that, sometimes is invaluable.</p>

<p>My advise:  Take your time and do it right.  If it takes you a year or more, but it&#8217;s solid and true to your dream, it will be so much better then if you rush it and dilute your vision because of it.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Sylvain Carle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sylvain Carle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Merci pour l&#039;update détaillé et aussi merci pour l&#039;énergie que tu mets à ce projet que je considère crucial pour faire de Montréal un vrai Hub d&#039;innovation et de créativité internet (et tout ce qui vient avec).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dans quelques années (et déjà un peu si on lit entre les lignes) quand les gens vont se demander &quot;quel sont les moteurs&quot; derrière cette communauté vibrante à Montréal, il y aura le nom de Patrick Tanguay quelque part sur cette liste non-écrite et sous-estimée mais oh combien essentielle &quot;in the real world context&quot; comme tu dis si bien!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Et ce n&#039;est pas parce que certains startups s&#039;organisent de leur côté (dont le mien, en effet) que les individus ne s&#039;y intéressent pas. Je veux participer à faire arriver ce projet, dans la mesure ou je le peux personellement, et si tu mets en place un &quot;conseil d&#039;administration&quot; ou un &quot;comité aviseur&quot;, count me in, même si c&#039;est très possible qu&#039;avec la poussée  de croissance de Praized on soit déjà trop gros pour participer au projet sans l&#039;overloader...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Merci pour l&#8217;update détaillé et aussi merci pour l&#8217;énergie que tu mets à ce projet que je considère crucial pour faire de Montréal un vrai Hub d&#8217;innovation et de créativité internet (et tout ce qui vient avec).</p>

<p>Dans quelques années (et déjà un peu si on lit entre les lignes) quand les gens vont se demander &#8220;quel sont les moteurs&#8221; derrière cette communauté vibrante à Montréal, il y aura le nom de Patrick Tanguay quelque part sur cette liste non-écrite et sous-estimée mais oh combien essentielle &#8220;in the real world context&#8221; comme tu dis si bien!</p>

<p>Et ce n&#8217;est pas parce que certains startups s&#8217;organisent de leur côté (dont le mien, en effet) que les individus ne s&#8217;y intéressent pas. Je veux participer à faire arriver ce projet, dans la mesure ou je le peux personellement, et si tu mets en place un &#8220;conseil d&#8217;administration&#8221; ou un &#8220;comité aviseur&#8221;, count me in, même si c&#8217;est très possible qu&#8217;avec la poussée  de croissance de Praized on soit déjà trop gros pour participer au projet sans l&#8217;overloader&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There aren&#039;t all that many naysayers, more fatigue on my part I guess.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There aren&#8217;t all that many naysayers, more fatigue on my part I guess.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the (lengthy!) update Patrick.  I&#039;m sure your dedication and patience to see your vision through will be rewarded in the end.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If there are naysayers (I suspect there are, given the tone of the post) let them whine.  Keep driving this...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the (lengthy!) update Patrick.  I&#8217;m sure your dedication and patience to see your vision through will be rewarded in the end.</p>

<p>If there are naysayers (I suspect there are, given the tone of the post) let them whine.  Keep driving this&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Steph: thx&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Heri: I do think you&#039;re a bit naive here or at least haven&#039;t thought out how it would work.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The first one might be a good idea and Alex did that in Philly but around here cafes are already packed with wifi using workers and students, they don&#039;t need more. Second, that&#039;s not what we need , we already have 80% of what you&#039;re talking about with Laïka or even, to a lesser degree, Art Java. And third, we already have the critical mass of people to use a coworking space, we don&#039;t need to build a group like Alex did and then see, we already know.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&quot;where every future member is asked to participate.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;
Participate how? In the running of the space? Try to figure out a business structure where this would work, where people would alternate taking care of it. It&#039;s either complex with loads of people involved or only a few owners and then why would non-owners take care of it for free? Pay them? Whole other ballgame. (I&#039;m talking about actual management here, not opening the thing for a couple of days, I expect members will agree to do that once in a while)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think that&#039;s like people saying to &quot;just do it&quot; without thinking about the &quot;real world&quot; context. This isn&#039;t a one day conference or a website, it&#039;s something with commitments for a lease, equipment, etc. The truly open models don&#039;t necessarily apply. Chris and Tara in SF are going open and community but they&#039;re still the ones who put up the money and cover the rent.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steph: thx</p>

<p>Heri: I do think you&#8217;re a bit naive here or at least haven&#8217;t thought out how it would work.</p>

<p>The first one might be a good idea and Alex did that in Philly but around here cafes are already packed with wifi using workers and students, they don&#8217;t need more. Second, that&#8217;s not what we need , we already have 80% of what you&#8217;re talking about with Laïka or even, to a lesser degree, Art Java. And third, we already have the critical mass of people to use a coworking space, we don&#8217;t need to build a group like Alex did and then see, we already know.</p>

<p><em>&#8220;where every future member is asked to participate.&#8221;</em>
Participate how? In the running of the space? Try to figure out a business structure where this would work, where people would alternate taking care of it. It&#8217;s either complex with loads of people involved or only a few owners and then why would non-owners take care of it for free? Pay them? Whole other ballgame. (I&#8217;m talking about actual management here, not opening the thing for a couple of days, I expect members will agree to do that once in a while)</p>

<p>I think that&#8217;s like people saying to &#8220;just do it&#8221; without thinking about the &#8220;real world&#8221; context. This isn&#8217;t a one day conference or a website, it&#8217;s something with commitments for a lease, equipment, etc. The truly open models don&#8217;t necessarily apply. Chris and Tara in SF are going open and community but they&#8217;re still the ones who put up the money and cover the rent.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: heri</title>
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		<dc:creator>heri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i might be naive but i think it would be possible to arrange something with a café, set it up as the main coworking space, with a space for 5/10, and weekly events etc. the café gets customers all day long, and there is no setup involved.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;if there is demand, if the setup seems popular, then grow from there and a &quot;real&quot; coworking space.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;also, as you said, you have your freelance work and travels, another idea is to think the project as an open one, à la barcamp, where every future member is asked to participate.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;my 2 cents.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i might be naive but i think it would be possible to arrange something with a café, set it up as the main coworking space, with a space for 5/10, and weekly events etc. the café gets customers all day long, and there is no setup involved.</p>

<p>if there is demand, if the setup seems popular, then grow from there and a &#8220;real&#8221; coworking space.</p>

<p>also, as you said, you have your freelance work and travels, another idea is to think the project as an open one, à la barcamp, where every future member is asked to participate.</p>

<p>my 2 cents.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Stéphane Z.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stéphane Z.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think many people is aware it&#039;s not a simple question of &quot;just do it&quot; (mostly if one considers that you still have to work ;)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As you said you probably have the lead on this in Montreal and anyone who finds it&#039;s not fast enough should just... move his own ass ! Thanks for the time you spend on this and I&#039;m confident you will end up with something great&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think many people is aware it&#8217;s not a simple question of &#8220;just do it&#8221; (mostly if one considers that you still have to work ;)</p>

<p>As you said you probably have the lead on this in Montreal and anyone who finds it&#8217;s not fast enough should just&#8230; move his own ass ! Thanks for the time you spend on this and I&#8217;m confident you will end up with something great</p>]]></content:encoded>
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