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	<description>Weblog of Patrick Tanguay, news and things I find interesting</description>
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		<title>By: Lettre 13 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ecto; espace coopératif de travail</title>
		<link>http://i.never.nu/a-coworking-update/comment-page-1/#comment-7078</link>
		<dc:creator>Lettre 13 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ecto; espace coopératif de travail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] à prendre connaissance du projet coopératif Ecto. C&#8217;est un projet similaire au projet Coworking en ce sens qu&#8217;il veut offrir des espaces de travails peut dispendieux pour des travailleurs [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] à prendre connaissance du projet coopératif Ecto. C&#8217;est un projet similaire au projet Coworking en ce sens qu&#8217;il veut offrir des espaces de travails peut dispendieux pour des travailleurs [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Montreal Coworking &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Coworking Update</title>
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		<dc:creator>Montreal Coworking &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Coworking Update</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 03:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 06:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow - what an update, Patrick. Running a project like this one takes time, and the only way to get around that constraint is to have lots of money up front. Absent that... I think you&#039;re totally going about it in the right way, deliberately, making sure the whole thing both meets the ideals in mind AND is practical and sustainable.

By the time you&#039;re ready to roll I may even be an anchor!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8211; what an update, Patrick. Running a project like this one takes time, and the only way to get around that constraint is to have lots of money up front. Absent that&#8230; I think you&#8217;re totally going about it in the right way, deliberately, making sure the whole thing both meets the ideals in mind AND is practical and sustainable.</p>
<p>By the time you&#8217;re ready to roll I may even be an anchor!</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://i.never.nu/a-coworking-update/comment-page-1/#comment-5674</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thx guys.</description>
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		<title>By: Evan Prodromou</title>
		<link>http://i.never.nu/a-coworking-update/comment-page-1/#comment-5673</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Prodromou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick: thanks for the great update. I&#039;m excited about the prospect for a strong coworking presence in Montréal, and I agree that that will take time and attention. I&#039;m looking forward to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick: thanks for the great update. I&#8217;m excited about the prospect for a strong coworking presence in Montréal, and I agree that that will take time and attention. I&#8217;m looking forward to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacob here from Office Nomads in Seattle.  I just cleared the 7 month hurry-up-and-wait game of getting the business plan ready, find a business partner, find a space, working the numbers, losing the space, finding another space.... patience comes in handy.  We found a place and are able to open 3 weeks later (2 weeks from now).   Susan, my business partner and I both work other jobs too but I find that helps more then it detracts.  Because of that, I am forced to put Office Nomads down regularly and that, sometimes is invaluable.  

My advise:  Take your time and do it right.  If it takes you a year or more, but it&#039;s solid and true to your dream, it will be so much better then if you rush it and dilute your vision because of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacob here from Office Nomads in Seattle.  I just cleared the 7 month hurry-up-and-wait game of getting the business plan ready, find a business partner, find a space, working the numbers, losing the space, finding another space&#8230;. patience comes in handy.  We found a place and are able to open 3 weeks later (2 weeks from now).   Susan, my business partner and I both work other jobs too but I find that helps more then it detracts.  Because of that, I am forced to put Office Nomads down regularly and that, sometimes is invaluable.  </p>
<p>My advise:  Take your time and do it right.  If it takes you a year or more, but it&#8217;s solid and true to your dream, it will be so much better then if you rush it and dilute your vision because of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sylvain Carle</title>
		<link>http://i.never.nu/a-coworking-update/comment-page-1/#comment-5671</link>
		<dc:creator>Sylvain Carle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Merci pour l&#039;update détaillé et aussi merci pour l&#039;énergie que tu mets à ce projet que je considère crucial pour faire de Montréal un vrai Hub d&#039;innovation et de créativité internet (et tout ce qui vient avec). 

Dans quelques années (et déjà un peu si on lit entre les lignes) quand les gens vont se demander &quot;quel sont les moteurs&quot; derrière cette communauté vibrante à Montréal, il y aura le nom de Patrick Tanguay quelque part sur cette liste non-écrite et sous-estimée mais oh combien essentielle &quot;in the real world context&quot; comme tu dis si bien!

Et ce n&#039;est pas parce que certains startups s&#039;organisent de leur côté (dont le mien, en effet) que les individus ne s&#039;y intéressent pas. Je veux participer à faire arriver ce projet, dans la mesure ou je le peux personellement, et si tu mets en place un &quot;conseil d&#039;administration&quot; ou un &quot;comité aviseur&quot;, count me in, même si c&#039;est très possible qu&#039;avec la poussée  de croissance de Praized on soit déjà trop gros pour participer au projet sans l&#039;overloader...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Merci pour l&#8217;update détaillé et aussi merci pour l&#8217;énergie que tu mets à ce projet que je considère crucial pour faire de Montréal un vrai Hub d&#8217;innovation et de créativité internet (et tout ce qui vient avec). </p>
<p>Dans quelques années (et déjà un peu si on lit entre les lignes) quand les gens vont se demander &#8220;quel sont les moteurs&#8221; derrière cette communauté vibrante à Montréal, il y aura le nom de Patrick Tanguay quelque part sur cette liste non-écrite et sous-estimée mais oh combien essentielle &#8220;in the real world context&#8221; comme tu dis si bien!</p>
<p>Et ce n&#8217;est pas parce que certains startups s&#8217;organisent de leur côté (dont le mien, en effet) que les individus ne s&#8217;y intéressent pas. Je veux participer à faire arriver ce projet, dans la mesure ou je le peux personellement, et si tu mets en place un &#8220;conseil d&#8217;administration&#8221; ou un &#8220;comité aviseur&#8221;, count me in, même si c&#8217;est très possible qu&#8217;avec la poussée  de croissance de Praized on soit déjà trop gros pour participer au projet sans l&#8217;overloader&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://i.never.nu/a-coworking-update/comment-page-1/#comment-5670</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There aren&#039;t all that many naysayers, more fatigue on my part I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There aren&#8217;t all that many naysayers, more fatigue on my part I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Mat</title>
		<link>http://i.never.nu/a-coworking-update/comment-page-1/#comment-5669</link>
		<dc:creator>Mat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the (lengthy!) update Patrick.  I&#039;m sure your dedication and patience to see your vision through will be rewarded in the end.

If there are naysayers (I suspect there are, given the tone of the post) let them whine.  Keep driving this...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the (lengthy!) update Patrick.  I&#8217;m sure your dedication and patience to see your vision through will be rewarded in the end.</p>
<p>If there are naysayers (I suspect there are, given the tone of the post) let them whine.  Keep driving this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://i.never.nu/a-coworking-update/comment-page-1/#comment-5668</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steph: thx

Heri: I do think you&#039;re a bit naive here or at least haven&#039;t thought out how it would work.

The first one might be a good idea and Alex did that in Philly but around here cafes are already packed with wifi using workers and students, they don&#039;t need more. Second, that&#039;s not what we need , we already have 80% of what you&#039;re talking about with Laïka or even, to a lesser degree, Art Java. And third, we already have the critical mass of people to use a coworking space, we don&#039;t need to build a group like Alex did and then see, we already know.

&lt;em&gt;&quot;where every future member is asked to participate.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;
Participate how? In the running of the space? Try to figure out a business structure where this would work, where people would alternate taking care of it. It&#039;s either complex with loads of people involved or only a few owners and then why would non-owners take care of it for free? Pay them? Whole other ballgame. (I&#039;m talking about actual management here, not opening the thing for a couple of days, I expect members will agree to do that once in a while)

I think that&#039;s like people saying to &quot;just do it&quot; without thinking about the &quot;real world&quot; context. This isn&#039;t a one day conference or a website, it&#039;s something with commitments for a lease, equipment, etc. The truly open models don&#039;t necessarily apply. Chris and Tara in SF are going open and community but they&#039;re still the ones who put up the money and cover the rent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steph: thx</p>
<p>Heri: I do think you&#8217;re a bit naive here or at least haven&#8217;t thought out how it would work.</p>
<p>The first one might be a good idea and Alex did that in Philly but around here cafes are already packed with wifi using workers and students, they don&#8217;t need more. Second, that&#8217;s not what we need , we already have 80% of what you&#8217;re talking about with Laïka or even, to a lesser degree, Art Java. And third, we already have the critical mass of people to use a coworking space, we don&#8217;t need to build a group like Alex did and then see, we already know.</p>
<p><em>&#8220;where every future member is asked to participate.&#8221;</em><br />
Participate how? In the running of the space? Try to figure out a business structure where this would work, where people would alternate taking care of it. It&#8217;s either complex with loads of people involved or only a few owners and then why would non-owners take care of it for free? Pay them? Whole other ballgame. (I&#8217;m talking about actual management here, not opening the thing for a couple of days, I expect members will agree to do that once in a while)</p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s like people saying to &#8220;just do it&#8221; without thinking about the &#8220;real world&#8221; context. This isn&#8217;t a one day conference or a website, it&#8217;s something with commitments for a lease, equipment, etc. The truly open models don&#8217;t necessarily apply. Chris and Tara in SF are going open and community but they&#8217;re still the ones who put up the money and cover the rent.</p>
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		<title>By: heri</title>
		<link>http://i.never.nu/a-coworking-update/comment-page-1/#comment-5667</link>
		<dc:creator>heri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i might be naive but i think it would be possible to arrange something with a café, set it up as the main coworking space, with a space for 5/10, and weekly events etc. the café gets customers all day long, and there is no setup involved. 

if there is demand, if the setup seems popular, then grow from there and a &quot;real&quot; coworking space. 

also, as you said, you have your freelance work and travels, another idea is to think the project as an open one, à la barcamp, where every future member is asked to participate. 

my 2 cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i might be naive but i think it would be possible to arrange something with a café, set it up as the main coworking space, with a space for 5/10, and weekly events etc. the café gets customers all day long, and there is no setup involved. </p>
<p>if there is demand, if the setup seems popular, then grow from there and a &#8220;real&#8221; coworking space. </p>
<p>also, as you said, you have your freelance work and travels, another idea is to think the project as an open one, à la barcamp, where every future member is asked to participate. </p>
<p>my 2 cents.</p>
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		<title>By: Stéphane Z.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stéphane Z.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think many people is aware it&#039;s not a simple question of &quot;just do it&quot; (mostly if one considers that you still have to work ;)

As you said you probably have the lead on this in Montreal and anyone who finds it&#039;s not fast enough should just... move his own ass ! Thanks for the time you spend on this and I&#039;m confident you will end up with something great</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think many people is aware it&#8217;s not a simple question of &#8220;just do it&#8221; (mostly if one considers that you still have to work ;)</p>
<p>As you said you probably have the lead on this in Montreal and anyone who finds it&#8217;s not fast enough should just&#8230; move his own ass ! Thanks for the time you spend on this and I&#8217;m confident you will end up with something great</p>
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